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« Responder #2220 en: 09/09/09, 23:58:20 pm »

Lo peor son los taxistas xD

+1 te lo dice un autobusero.

taxista= peligro
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« Responder #2221 en: 10/09/09, 00:20:08 am »

Bueno bueno... parece que Briatore y Symonds han admitido que se trató el tema de estrellarse a propósito en el briefing técnico previo a la carrera. Eso si, dicen que la idea salió del propio Piquet.

O sea que les han pillao ccon el carrito del helao y se van echando la culpa como crios pequeños. A ver si se puede demostrar y les meten un buen cuerno a todos. Caiga quien caiga.

En que medio ha salido esa informacion?
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« Responder #2222 en: 10/09/09, 00:23:42 am »

Bueno bueno... parece que Briatore y Symonds han admitido que se trató el tema de estrellarse a propósito en el briefing técnico previo a la carrera. Eso si, dicen que la idea salió del propio Piquet.

O sea que les han pillao ccon el carrito del helao y se van echando la culpa como crios pequeños. A ver si se puede demostrar y les meten un buen cuerno a todos. Caiga quien caiga.

En que medio ha salido esa informacion?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78446

A report in Italian magazine Autosprint also suggests that telemetry data from Piquet's car has emerged as another reason why the matter has gone to the WMSC.

At Turn 17 where Piquet crashed, normally the rear wheels of the Renault would lose grip on the exit - requiring the driver to ease off the throttle briefly. However, on the lap he crashed, Piquet kept accelerating even though the rear wheels had lost grip.


Symonds is also reported as saying: "It's true, during the Sunday meeting with Piquet the issue of deliberately causing a SC deployment came up, but it was proposed by Piquet himself. It was just a conversation."
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« Responder #2223 en: 10/09/09, 17:55:12 pm »

Declaracion completa de Piquet.


Full statement given by Nelsinho Piquet to the FIA regarding the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix:

I, Nelson Angelo Piquet, born July 25, 1985 in Heidelberg, Germany...say as follows:

1. Except as otherwise stated, the facts and statements contained in this Statement are based on facts and matters within my knowledge. I believe such facts and statements contained in this Statement to be true and correct. Where any facts or statements are not within my own knowledge, they are true to the best of my knowledge and belief and, where appropriate, I indicate the source of that knowledge and belief.

2. I make this Statement voluntarily to the FIA and for the purposes of allowing the FIA to exercise its supervisory and regulatory functions with regard to the FIA Formula One World Championship.

3. I am aware that there is a duty upon all participants in the FIA Formula One World Championship and all Super Licence holders to ensure the fairness and legitimacy of the Championship and I am aware that serious consequences could follow if I were to provide the FIA with any false or misleading statement.

4. I understand that my complete statement has been recorded on audio tape and that a full transcript of my audio recording will be made available to me and the FIA. The present document constitutes a summary of the main points made during my full oral statement.

5. I wish to bring the following facts to the FIA's attention.

6. During the Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore, held on 28 September 2008 and counting towards the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, I was asked by Mr. Flavio Briatore, who is both my manager and the Team Principal of the Renault F1 Team, and by Mr. Pat Symonds, the Technical Director of the ING Renault F1 Team, to deliberately crash my car in order to positively influence the performance of the ING Renault F1 Team at the event in question. I agreed to this proposal and caused my car to hit a wall and crash during lap thirteen/fourteen of the race.

7. The proposal to deliberately cause an accident was made to me shortly before the race took place, when I was summoned by Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds in Mr. Briatore's office. Mr. Symonds, in the presence of Mr. Briatore, asked me if I would be willing to sacrifice my race for the team by “causing a safety car”. Every F1 race driver knows that the safety car is deployed on a track when there is an accident which leads to the track being blocked either by debris or a stationary car, and where it is difficult to recover a damaged car, as was the case here.

8. At the time of this conversation I was in a very fragile and emotional state of mind. This state of mind was brought about by intense stress due to the fact that Mr. Briatore had refused to inform me of whether or not my driver's contract would be renewed for the next racing year (2009), as is customarily the case in the middle of the year (around July or August). Instead, Mr. Briatore repeatedly requested me to sign an “option”, which meant that I was not allowed to negotiate with any other teams in the meantime. He would repeatedly put pressure on me to prolong the option I had signed, and would regularly summon me into his office to discuss these renewals, even on racing days – a moment which should be a moment of concentration and relaxation before the race. This stress was accentuated by the fact that during the Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore I had qualified sixteenth on the grid, so I was very insecure about my future at the Renault team. When I was asked to crash my car and cause a safety car incident in order to help the team, I accepted because I hoped that it could improve my position within the team at this critical time in the race season. At no point was I told by anyone that by agreeing to cause an incident, I would be guaranteed a renewal of my contract or any other advantage. However, in the context, I thought that it would be helpful in achieving this goal. I therefore agreed to cause the incident.

9. After the meeting with Mr. Symonds and Mr. Briatore, Mr. Symonds took me aside to a quiet corner and, using a map, pointed me to the exact corner of the track where I should crash. This corner was selected because the specific location of the track did not have any cranes that would allow a damaged car to be swiftly lifted off the track, nor did it have any side entrances to the track, which would allow a Safety Marshall to quickly move the damaged car away from the track. Therefore, it was felt that a crash in this specific position would be nearly certain to cause an obstruction on the track which would thus necessitate the deployment of a safety car in order to allow the track to be cleared and to ensure the safe continuation of the race.

10. Mr. Symonds also told me which exact lap to cause the incident upon, so that a strategy could deployed for my team-mate Mr. Fernando Alonso to refuel at the pit shortly before the deployment of the safety car, which he indeed did during lap twelve. The key to this strategy resided in the fact that the near-knowledge that the safety car would be deployed in lap thirteen/fourteen allowed the Team to start Mr. Alonso's car with an aggressive fuel strategy using a light car containing enough fuel to arrive at lap twelve, but not much more. This would allow Mr. Alonso to overtake as many (heavier) cars as possible, knowing that those cars would have difficulty catching up with him later in the race due to the later deployment of the safety car. This strategy was successful and Mr. Alonso won the 2008 Formula One Grand Prix of Singapore.

11. During these discussions, no mention was made of any concerns with respect to the security implications of this strategy, either for myself, the public or other drivers. The only comment made in this context was one by Mr. Pat Symonds who warned me to “be careful”, which I took to mean that I should not injure myself.

12. I intentionally caused the crash by letting go of control of the car just before the relevant corner. In order to make sure I would cause the incident during the correct lap, I asked my team several times via the radio to confirm the lap number, which I would not normally do. I was not injured during the accident, nor was anyone else.

13. After the discussions with Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds discussed above, the 'accident strategy' was never discussed again with either of them. Mr. Briatore discreetly said “thank you” after the end of the race, without mentioning anything further. I do not know if anyone else was aware of this strategy at the start of the race.

14. After the race I informed Mr. Felipe Vargas, a family friend and advisor, of the fact that the incident had been deliberate. Mr. Vargas further infirmed my father, Mr. Nelson Piquet, some time later.

15. After the race several journalists asked questions about the accident and asked me whether I had caused it on purpose, because they felt it was 'suspicious'.

16. In my own team, the engineer of my car questioned the nature of the incident because he found it unusual, and I replied that I had lost control of the car. I believe that a clever engineer would notice from the car's telemetry that I caused the incident on purpose as I continued accelerating , whereas a “normal” reaction would be to brake as soon as possible.


Statement of Truth

I believe and swear that the facts set out in this statement are true.

This statement was made at the FIA Headquarters in Paris on 30 July 2009 in presence of Mr. Alan Donnelly (FIA Chairman of the Stewards), Mr. Martin Smith and Mr. Jacob Marsh (both of investigations firm Quest, retained by the FIA to assist with its investigation). Notes were taken by Ms. Dondnique Costesec (Sidley Austin LLP).

Signed:

Nelson Piquet Jr.
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« Responder #2224 en: 10/09/09, 18:52:18 pm »

Traducelo plis xd
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« Responder #2225 en: 10/09/09, 19:11:27 pm »

Joder xD

Viene a decir que Symonds y Briatore lo pillaron por banda un rato antes de la carrera y le dijeron que si estaba dispuesto a sacrificar su carrera por el bien del equipo (o sea que se metiera el castañazo) y dijo que si a cambio de la renovación del contrato.
Symonds le señaló en un mapa la curva exacta donde debia pegarsela porque en ese lugar no habia gruas ni escapatorias para retirar el coche por lo tanto la salida del SC era segura. También le dijo en que vuelta debia hacerlo para sincronizarlo con la estrategia de Alonso.
Para estar seguro de en que vuelta debia hacerlo, durante la carrera fue preguntando a menudo al muro en que vuelta estaba, cosa que normalmente no se hace. (esto lo recogen las grabaciones)
Despues de la carrera no volvieron a hablar más del tema, Briatore se lo agradeció brevemente y no sabe si alguien más dentro del equipo conocia esto.
Despues del accidente le contó la verdad a un amigo de la familia que informó a Nelson padre.
Su ingeniero le preguntó que le habia pasado puesto que encontró extraño que cuando el coche se le fue de atrás, en lugar de frenar como es lógico, él siguió acelerando.



Que Briatore y Symonds hayan admitido que se trató el tema no hace más que indicar que la estrategia del accidente es cierta. Le echan la culpa a Nelson, pero vaya, si fuera cierto (cosa que dudo muchisimo) de lo que no pueden echarle la culpa es de planificar el lugar y la vuelta, eso es cosa de los ingenieros, por lo tanto pringan igual los capullos estos xD
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« Responder #2226 en: 10/09/09, 19:37:51 pm »

Joder xD

Viene a decir que Symonds y Briatore lo pillaron por banda un rato antes de la carrera y le dijeron que si estaba dispuesto a sacrificar su carrera por el bien del equipo (o sea que se metiera el castañazo) y dijo que si a cambio de la renovación del contrato.
Symonds le señaló en un mapa la curva exacta donde debia pegarsela porque en ese lugar no habia gruas ni escapatorias para retirar el coche por lo tanto la salida del SC era segura. También le dijo en que vuelta debia hacerlo para sincronizarlo con la estrategia de Alonso.
Para estar seguro de en que vuelta debia hacerlo, durante la carrera fue preguntando a menudo al muro en que vuelta estaba, cosa que normalmente no se hace. (esto lo recogen las grabaciones)
Despues de la carrera no volvieron a hablar más del tema, Briatore se lo agradeció brevemente y no sabe si alguien más dentro del equipo conocia esto.
Despues del accidente le contó la verdad a un amigo de la familia que informó a Nelson padre.
Su ingeniero le preguntó que le habia pasado puesto que encontró extraño que cuando el coche se le fue de atrás, en lugar de frenar como es lógico, él siguió acelerando.



Que Briatore y Symonds hayan admitido que se trató el tema no hace más que indicar que la estrategia del accidente es cierta. Le echan la culpa a Nelson, pero vaya, si fuera cierto (cosa que dudo muchisimo) de lo que no pueden echarle la culpa es de planificar el lugar y la vuelta, eso es cosa de los ingenieros, por lo tanto pringan igual los capullos estos xD

que fuerte xd.

que se los follen por inutiles.

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« Responder #2227 en: 10/09/09, 20:30:05 pm »

el unico que no tiene culpa es alonso.

KAISER, eres un cabronazo, copias una noticia en ingles para informarnos y te quedas tan ancho  :D menosmal que las traducido en un resumen porque yo no entendia ni papa XD
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« Responder #2228 en: 10/09/09, 20:39:38 pm »

Alonso si lo supo a posteriori debe pringar por no denunciar, o sea por convertirse en complice, como van a pringar todos.
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« Responder #2229 en: 10/09/09, 20:41:04 pm »

Alonso si lo supo a posteriori debe pringar por no denunciar, o sea por convertirse en complice, como van a pringar todos.

si claro entonces ya estariamos con la duda

complice o chivato

no se que es peor
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« Responder #2230 en: 10/09/09, 20:41:42 pm »

Es una estrategia igualmente válida. Me encanta :D
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« Responder #2231 en: 10/09/09, 20:42:53 pm »

Alonso si lo supo a posteriori debe pringar por no denunciar, o sea por convertirse en complice, como van a pringar todos.

si claro entonces ya estariamos con la duda

complice o chivato
No delató a McLaren en el asunto del espionaje? Pues lo mismo.
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« Responder #2232 en: 10/09/09, 20:46:05 pm »

pero e leido que en las investigaciones de la fia dicen que alonso no sabia nada de este tema, almenos durante la carrera.
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« Responder #2233 en: 10/09/09, 20:49:07 pm »

Alonso si lo supo a posteriori debe pringar por no denunciar, o sea por convertirse en complice, como van a pringar todos.

ya estamos con la anti-alosnidad.

porque coño tiene que pringar por no decir nada?

no encubre a nadie, simplemente se hizo el loco en el tema.
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« Responder #2234 en: 10/09/09, 20:50:01 pm »

pero e leido que en las investigaciones de la fia dicen que alonso no sabia nada de este tema, almenos durante la carrera.

ostia, te ha salido un salpullido en el brazo.

echate salfuman que va bien.
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